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GAYS PREFER CUT DICK
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m***@gmail.com
2017-02-15 23:40:15 UTC
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It is an absolute fact that GAY men prefer CUT dick over UNcut. The porn
industry proves it.
Now and then a few guys do prefer an UNcut model in GAY porn. Then again, a
few GAYS like other forms of unusual and odd sexual stimulation such as scat,
bondage, piercings and abuse.
I definitely prefer cut over uncut. I was forced to suck a neighbor boy's uncut cock when I was young,and the experience was horrible. Both in smell and taste of uncut. That sensory memory will always be with me. I always make sure my partners are cut and clean.
Oliver
2017-02-17 11:38:27 UTC
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Post by m***@gmail.com
I definitely prefer cut over uncut. I was forced to suck a neighbor boy's uncut cock when I was young,and the experience was horrible. Both in smell and taste of uncut. That sensory memory will always be with me. I always make sure my partners are cut and clean.
Yes the smell is so foul that it doesn't take much to give a lifelong aversion to uncircumcised penises.

Im a gay New Yorker and I don't know ANY gays who prefer uncut (though of course there are some smegma queens out there). We try to be polite if we know there are any uncuts in our company, but otherwise any mention of uncut dick will reliably produce comments like "eew" "gross" "ugh" "disgusting" etc.
Agnus O'Flock
2019-02-06 01:35:26 UTC
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Post by Oliver
Yes the smell is so foul that it doesn't take much to give a lifelong aversion to uncircumcised penises.
I'd heard rumours but the the first time I thought, Maybe it's just the boy I'm with. The second time I thought, OK maybe I got unlucky twice in a row. The third time, I decided--- THAT'S IT NEVER AGAIN!
C***@outlook.com
2019-04-01 10:29:49 UTC
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i am gay uncircumcised. i like only circumcised men
martinus
2019-04-13 17:55:53 UTC
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Post by C***@outlook.com
i am gay uncircumcised. i like only circumcised men
In Europe everywhere the arab rent boys have replaced the euro rent boys. Clients are uncircumcised older euro men but they pay for circumcised arab rent boys. Amsterdam, Berlin, Roma, Marseilles, Brusel,it is all the same, the boys in those bars are all arab now.
a***@gmail.com
2019-05-03 07:30:36 UTC
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Post by C***@outlook.com
i am gay uncircumcised. i like only circumcised men
I am also uncircumsed like most men in my country Italia. After sex with a circumcised American in 2015 I like circumcised much more but it is difficult here!
Wakka
2020-06-08 09:19:54 UTC
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Post by Oliver
Im a gay New Yorker and I don't know ANY gays who prefer uncut (though of course there are some smegma queens out there). We try to be polite if we know there are any uncuts in our company, but otherwise any mention of uncut dick will reliably produce comments like "eew" "gross" "ugh" "disgusting" etc.
This is a very American view! In Scandinavia where all men (except muslims and jews) are circumcised nobody would say such things because uncircumcised is normal.
CanadaLad
2020-11-21 14:13:34 UTC
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And not just gays.

One of my nephews was uncircumcised. Like many such unfortunates he had repeated urinary tract infections as a child, as a teenager, and as a young man. On several occasions these infections got to his kidneys causing serious illness with crippling fatigue and raging fevers. Eventually his doctors suggested circumcision, which was accomplished when he was 24 years old. He has had no UTIs since then -- but his kidneys are permanently damaged. He now has stage 3 Chronic Kidney Disease which is incurable and has a high risk of progressing to complete kidney failure.

This nephew is heterosexual and was married after his circumcision. He has two sons now and both are circumcised.
Oliver
2021-05-11 20:52:04 UTC
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Post by CanadaLad
And not just gays.
One of my nephews was uncircumcised. Like many such unfortunates he had repeated urinary tract infections as a child, as a teenager, and as a young man. On several occasions these infections got to his kidneys causing serious illness with crippling fatigue and raging fevers. Eventually his doctors suggested circumcision, which was accomplished when he was 24 years old. He has had no UTIs since then -- but his kidneys are permanently damaged. He now has stage 3 Chronic Kidney Disease which is incurable and has a high risk of progressing to complete kidney failure.
This nephew is heterosexual and was married after his circumcision. He has two sons now and both are circumcised.
I wonder how many millions of uncircumcised boys have died during the course of history of UTI infections that became lethal.
Dabunny Rabbit
2021-08-02 00:40:23 UTC
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Post by Oliver
Post by CanadaLad
And not just gays.
One of my nephews was uncircumcised. Like many such unfortunates he had repeated urinary tract infections as a child, as a teenager, and as a young man. On several occasions these infections got to his kidneys causing serious illness with crippling fatigue and raging fevers. Eventually his doctors suggested circumcision, which was accomplished when he was 24 years old. He has had no UTIs since then -- but his kidneys are permanently damaged. He now has stage 3 Chronic Kidney Disease which is incurable and has a high risk of progressing to complete kidney failure.
This nephew is heterosexual and was married after his circumcision. He has two sons now and both are circumcised.
I wonder how many millions of uncircumcised boys have died during the course of history of UTI infections that became lethal.
well as a lgbtq member I can say thats totaly false lol.
but in the end
the bottom line is, its not yours period.
you have no right as a parent or otherwise to have someone held down and remove part of their genitals no matter how clean or religious you think it is.
children can't consent to sex, but cutting off part of it for no reason or concept of whats being done is ok... honestly!!!
under that same logic then I should be able to have someone held down and their ears cut off because I think it would be healthier and cleaner for them. (or the skin cancer they might get)

circumcision has no effect on how much teens masturbate, teens are gonna do it and do it a lot regardless.

not to mention that there were 2 doctors in the US that claimed it cured a host of bizarre ailments (including epilepsy and rheumatism) and when people figured out that was a crock, they claimed it prevented masturbation. and in the religious society it took off once more.
it's not about what you want its about what the individual wants
so in conclusion circumcision is a violation of someone's human rights and bodily integrity and there is nothing anyone can say that will make it ok.
tom545
2017-11-12 07:33:56 UTC
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It is an absolute fact that GAY men prefer CUT dick over UNcut. The porn
industry proves it.
Now and then a few guys do prefer an UNcut model in GAY porn. Then again, a
few GAYS like other forms of unusual and odd sexual stimulation such as scat,
bondage, piercings and abuse.
No way.... Most prefer uncut.
Uckister777
2017-11-27 19:47:12 UTC
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Post by tom545
It is an absolute fact that GAY men prefer CUT dick over UNcut. The porn
industry proves it.
Now and then a few guys do prefer an UNcut model in GAY porn. Then again, a
few GAYS like other forms of unusual and odd sexual stimulation such as scat,
bondage, piercings and abuse.
No way.... Most prefer uncut.
It is an absolute fact that GAY men prefer CUT dick over UNcut. The porn
industry proves it.
Now and then a few guys do prefer an UNcut model in GAY porn. Then again, a
few GAYS like other forms of unusual and odd sexual stimulation such as scat,
bondage, piercings and abuse.
No way.... Most prefer uncut.
I'm gay and I have NEVER met another gay who prefers an uncut sex parter to a cut sex parter although I am sure some do exist.

Come on what's to like about uncut? Not much --

They are ugly
They stink
They spread disease

End of argument.
m***@gmail.com
2017-12-09 09:00:40 UTC
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Post by Uckister777
I'm gay and I have NEVER met another gay who prefers an uncut sex parter to a cut sex parter although I am sure some do exist.
Come on what's to like about uncut? Not much --
They are ugly
They stink
They spread disease
End of argument.
True, and it's not just a matter of preference. It's often a matter of active dislike, even disgust. Many gays absolutely will not have sex with an uncircumcised man , usually because of the smell. Very few have a disgusted reaction to a circumcised penis because really there is nothing there to be disgusted about!
David Edwards
2018-02-24 16:05:05 UTC
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Post by m***@gmail.com
Post by Uckister777
I'm gay and I have NEVER met another gay who prefers an uncut sex parter to a cut sex parter although I am sure some do exist.
Come on what's to like about uncut? Not much --
They are ugly
They stink
They spread disease
End of argument.
True, and it's not just a matter of preference. It's often a matter of active dislike, even disgust. Many gays absolutely will not have sex with an uncircumcised man , usually because of the smell. Very few have a disgusted reaction to a circumcised penis because really there is nothing there to be disgusted about!
I wont have sex with uncuts. I always ask first n if hes uncut, forget it. They all say theirs doesnt stink.

But it always does.
o***@gmail.com
2018-04-19 11:39:18 UTC
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Post by David Edwards
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Post by Uckister777
I'm gay and I have NEVER met another gay who prefers an uncut sex parter to a cut sex parter although I am sure some do exist.
Come on what's to like about uncut? Not much --
They are ugly
They stink
They spread disease
End of argument.
True, and it's not just a matter of preference. It's often a matter of active dislike, even disgust. Many gays absolutely will not have sex with an uncircumcised man , usually because of the smell. Very few have a disgusted reaction to a circumcised penis because really there is nothing there to be disgusted about!
I wont have sex with uncuts. I always ask first n if hes uncut, forget it. They all say theirs doesnt stink.
But it always does.
A lot of people think uncut guys are disgusting
Atlantaboi
2018-04-30 11:08:04 UTC
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Post by o***@gmail.com
A lot of people think uncut guys are disgusting
They ARE disgusting!! My first sex experience was with an uncut and the disgust has never left me. I feel queasy just seeing uncut cock. I know uncut guys who don't want to have sex with other uncut guys!!
Oliver
2018-05-08 11:13:44 UTC
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Post by Atlantaboi
Post by o***@gmail.com
A lot of people think uncut guys are disgusting
They ARE disgusting!! My first sex experience was with an uncut and the disgust has never left me. I feel queasy just seeing uncut cock. I know uncut guys who don't want to have sex with other uncut guys!!
Yep a single experience with uncut dock is enough to turn many guys off for life. Some of us tried two or three or even more just hoping that the smell and other problems were unique to the individuals and not generic to all uncut cock. Eventually you figure out that you are going to be turned off by all uncut cocks and you just start to avoid them.
f***@gmail.com
2018-05-11 07:29:26 UTC
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Not just gays women too It is not pleasant to do oral sex on a penis with skin over it getting in the way and maybe smelling bad when it pulls back. The smooth shaft of circumcised is preferred. Also during sexual intercourse uncircumcised men are often just having sex inside their foreskin because even in intercourse their penis is covered or mostly covered by foreskin. Which is dull as any woman with experience of both will tell you (if her uncircumcised partner is not around, she can never tell him his penis is not satisfying) Also condoms just don't work with uncircumcised men,they get all bunched up or fall off.
Parker
2018-06-01 05:13:48 UTC
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Post by f***@gmail.com
Not just gays women too It is not pleasant to do oral sex on a penis with skin over it getting in the way and maybe smelling bad when it pulls back.
Yep. Women much prefer my cock since I got circed. No more gagging on it and no more excuses for not sucking it. The diff in hygiene is like night and day and sex esp oral sex is MUCH better.
h***@gmail.com
2018-05-29 01:35:44 UTC
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Post by Oliver
Yep a single experience with uncut dock is enough to turn many guys off for life. Some of us tried two or three or even more just hoping that the smell and other problems were unique to the individuals and not generic to all uncut cock. Eventually you figure out that you are going to be turned off by all uncut cocks and you just start to avoid them.
I had one experience when I was a boy. He was french tourist in Egypt. I had sex with boys before but never saw uncircumcised.. He offered money and I was poor. We went to the rocks on the beach. It was so ugly and smelled like fish. I ran away. I did not get the money. :(
t***@royallepage.ca
2018-12-01 02:20:13 UTC
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Where the hell do you live ? In Canada the gay guys LOVE uncut dick
c***@gmail.com
2018-12-01 14:35:55 UTC
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Post by t***@royallepage.ca
Where the hell do you live ? In Canada the gay guys LOVE uncut dick
That's strange. I used to visit Montreal regularly where almost all the guys are uncut. But they kept telling me how they loved cut and sought out visiting Americans for that reason.

The difference between you and me is that I know that my experience is only MY experience and I don't try to generalize to an entire nation.


I just did a search to see if there's actually any factual evidence on Canadian preferences but couldn't find anything for gay men. I did find information on Canadian women in a survey. 42 percent had a "strong preference" for circumcised men, while only 7 percent preferred uncircumcised men. Frankly I'm not surprised.


https://www.psychologytoday.com/ca/articles/199411/mens-bodies-the-survey m
n***@gmail.com
2019-01-13 10:16:27 UTC
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Just one word: SMEGMA
Ozzboi
2019-01-16 20:00:18 UTC
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Post by n***@gmail.com
Just one word: SMEGMA
I'm gay and uncut and I prefer cut. Where I live most guys are uncut so I had all uncut experience until I was 22. Then I had a cut guy and it's just way better for sex. In my opinion anyway. That's two years ago. I always say on the apps now that I want cut only. BUT most of those guys don't want uncut :(
Me and a mate also uncut are checking out what circumcision would cost and whats involved (that's how i found this site). Cant beat em so join em! By 25th birthday I want that to be my present to me.
t***@outlook.com
2019-01-20 10:21:30 UTC
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Post by Ozzboi
I'm gay and uncut and I prefer cut. Where I live most guys are uncut so I had all uncut experience until I was 22. Then I had a cut guy and it's just way better for sex. In my opinion anyway. That's two years ago. I always say on the apps now that I want cut only. BUT most of those guys don't want uncut :(
If youre from Australia as your name suggests I don't know why you cant find circumcised guys. Only about 10 percent of babies are circumcised in Australia now but its much more common in older groups, about 20 percent in men aged 20-30 and higher after that. Obviously they are in more demand than circumcised but there must be some who don't mind uncircumcised. Youre right that if you get circumcised you will be more popular on grindr and other apps. Nobody refuses a guy because hes circumcised.
g***@gmail.com
2019-05-05 06:26:26 UTC
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Post by Uckister777
Come on what's to like about uncut? Not much --
They are ugly
They stink
They spread disease
End of argument.
Yes I do not understand why a gay man may prefer uncut. Only from ignorance I think if that is all they know.
Henry Thaler
2019-05-11 16:01:42 UTC
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Women also have a very strong preference for circumcised males. Their reasons are very similar to the reasons gay men prefer circumcised.

This information comes from a new review of international studies of women's preferences for circumcised v uncircumcised partners. It found that women have a very strong preference for circumcised men, quote:

"In the overwhelming majority of studies, women expressed a preference for the circumcised penis. The main reasons given for this preference were better appearance, better hygiene, reduced risk of infection, and enhanced sexual activity, including vaginal intercourse, manual stimulation, and fellatio".

This preference exists regardless of the circumcision rate in the various countries.

You can read the original report in the Journal of Sexual Medicine: https://www.smoa.jsexmed.org/article/S2050-1161(19)30031-5/fulltext#sec6
Oiiver
2019-06-12 17:17:26 UTC
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Face it, nobody likes uncut dick except ignoramuses, foreskin fetishists, and smegma queens.
K.Williams
2019-07-14 14:35:18 UTC
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My son is gay and has thanked me several times for having him circumcised right after his birth. He says that it is a huge disadvantage to be uncircumcised in the gay community (in USA anyway). I had him circumcised so that he would not have to endure the misery I went through as an uncircumcised boy. The discomfort pain and hygiene issues undermined my emotional and sexual self confidence as an adolescent. My parents would not pay for the operation so I saved up the money myself and had it done at age 19 and that was one of the best days of my life. I date my sexual and romantic life from that day.
Brasil Barry
2019-08-06 11:32:02 UTC
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In Brazil where men are uncircumcised almost all gay hookups and sex is in the <saunas> or bath houses. This way the penis is continually washed to stop the smell. The saunas are like hotels with rooms and restaurants and even gyms in some. This is where gay men go to meet others because especially in hot cities like Rio, Bahia, Belem, mens penis stink very soon after they wash. So right before sex and even in breaks of sex activity the men bathe their penis.
Casaman
2019-09-30 07:59:57 UTC
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Many surveys (cited here in alt.circ) show that women also prefer circumcised penises -- overwhelmingly!
j***@hotmail.com
2019-12-19 18:33:52 UTC
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Post by Casaman
Many surveys (cited here in alt.circ) show that women also prefer circumcised penises -- overwhelmingly!
In my experience the only women who say they like uncircumcised are women who do not have experience of circumcised. I could never have a relationship with an uncircumcised man, no matter how much you like him you can't have a good sexual relationship if you dislike his penis.
Pat Lastingham
2020-02-19 18:17:47 UTC
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Post by j***@hotmail.com
In my experience the only women who say they like uncircumcised are women who do not have experience of circumcised. I could never have a relationship with an uncircumcised man, no matter how much you like him you can't have a good sexual relationship if you dislike his penis.
Judith -- I am very familiar with the research. There are NO reputable studies that show that women prefer uncircumcised penises. They ALL show a preference for circumcised.
Darrin T
2020-02-19 23:30:08 UTC
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Post by Pat Lastingham
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In my experience the only women who say they like uncircumcised are women who do not have experience of circumcised. I could never have a relationship with an uncircumcised man, no matter how much you like him you can't have a good sexual relationship if you dislike his penis.
Judith -- I am very familiar with the research. There are NO reputable studies that show that women prefer uncircumcised penises. They ALL show a preference for circumcised.
Pat, Judith is in sole agreement with you! Please re-read her above response. -D, "A London Times survey by Dr. T. Stuttaford found that among experienced women and prostitutes, 90% preferred sex with circumcised men because it was more hygenic and pleasurable".."Can I just talk about one other issue that I had? I am almost hesitant to say this...because I am not gay..I'm not looking at other guys..but the whole uncircumcised thing..when they're doing close-ups..it's just...that's a whole other issue...it's just disgusting!" eh - GARY DELL'ABATE, aka BABY-BOOEY, Howard Stern Show producer
Darrin T
2020-02-20 01:29:32 UTC
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Post by Brasil Barry
In Brazil where men are uncircumcised almost all gay hookups and sex is in the <saunas> or bath houses. This way the penis is continually washed to stop the smell. The saunas are like hotels with rooms and restaurants and even gyms in some. This is where gay men go to meet others because especially in hot cities like Rio, Bahia, Belem, mens penis stink very soon after they wash. So right before sex and even in breaks of sex activity the men bathe their penis.
There's a wonderful documentary on Tubi (always free) about Brazilian prostitutes, "Beaches of Brazil." IIRC, one of the prostitutes said that she loves American Johns because she knows that they are circumcised and clean. -D, "To perfect the world ("Tikun Olam") is in Jewish thought - the obligation of every human being. Where better to begin than by fixing God's goof of foreskin?" - YOURS TRULY.."Life insurance companies should class wearers of the prepuce under the head of a hazardous risk" - MEDICAL WRITER UNKNOWN
c***@gmail.com
2020-03-22 01:20:32 UTC
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Post by Darrin T
There's a wonderful documentary on Tubi (always free) about Brazilian prostitutes, "Beaches of Brazil." IIRC, one of the prostitutes said that she loves American Johns because she knows that they are circumcised and clean.
For sure. Just think about it, Most of the guys these hookers serve just come off work all sweaty and don't bother to wash their digusting cocks. How tose girls can go down on something like looks like its covered in put and stinks like a dead animal i dont know, i feel really sorry for them.
b***@gmail.com
2018-06-05 01:29:49 UTC
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It is an absolute fact that GAY men prefer CUT dick over UNcut. The porn
industry proves it.
Now and then a few guys do prefer an UNcut model in GAY porn. Then again, a few GAYS like other forms of unusual and odd sexual stimulation such as scat, bondage, piercings and abuse.
REPLY:
I am not so sure that is true because lots of porn is made in Europe where circumcision is not common, also some in Asia and South America where circumcision is not common. You really can't tell much difference between an an intact and cut erect penis, depending on the view and the action.
Jordan
2018-07-03 08:35:38 UTC
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Maybe if you are from an uncircumcised country you can accept it, not me from a circumcised country. The first time I knew uncircumcised was in Belgium 2016. I was curious but when I tried to have sex I had to stop. What they say about smell is true but just to look at it turned me away. We circumcise for good reasons!
tom545
2018-10-04 03:06:44 UTC
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It is an absolute fact that GAY men prefer CUT dick over UNcut. The porn
industry proves it.
Now and then a few guys do prefer an UNcut model in GAY porn. Then again, a
few GAYS like other forms of unusual and odd sexual stimulation such as scat,
bondage, piercings and abuse.
The foreskin is the most nerve rich area of the penis. Once its gone it reduces sensation and sexual pleasure. Sexual pleasure that was yours as a birthright. It prevents the normal functioning of the penis.
Parker
2018-10-04 10:54:08 UTC
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Post by tom545
The foreskin is the most nerve rich area of the penis. Once its gone it reduces sensation and sexual pleasure. Sexual pleasure that was yours as a birthright. It prevents the normal functioning of the penis.
What a load of twaddle! ! never had the slightest pleasure from my foreskin, it was just a damn nuisance. Sex is much better since I got circed, especially oral. I was working as bartender before and after my circ and all the regulars knew about it and we often talked about it. I got asked all sorts of questions but not not once did a man ask if I was worried about losing pleasure if I got circed. And this being England almost all of them are uncircumcised. From what i can see most uncirced men don't give a damn about their foreskin one way or the other. Those that do care mostly have problems with their foreskins like the usual ones, Which are, it hurts when they have sex or try to retract it, or, the smell turns their partners off.

Only a few fetisihists have this thing about foreskins and thats prob because they have some neuro defect in the rest of their dick that makes them think their foreskin is the best part they have.

Of course there are nerves in the foreskin but nerves don't = pleasure, it depends what the nerves are for! Foreskin nerves are there because it evolved to protect the sensitive head of the dick from insects and sharp thorns and bee stings or whatever else was around with us for millions of years. So foreskin nerves are pinprick specialized to alert the brain of anything harmful coming near the head of the dick. There are different nerves for pleasure are in the shaft and head of the dick. We don't need a useless overhang of skin to protect us now because we have clothes instead.

I don't know how many times its pointed out in alt.circ that hundreds of millions of men have been circed in adolescence or later so they know the diff between before and after. If there was really a loss of sensation they would have been rioting in the streets! They don't because they are like me and think they are much better off. And they want their boys to be circed too which I will do if I have boys. Period.
Dubbs
2018-11-15 05:02:45 UTC
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On Thursday, October 4, 2018 at 2:54:08 PM UTC+4, Parker wrote:
I don't know how many times its pointed out in alt.circ that hundreds of millions of men have been circed in adolescence or later so they know the diff between before and after. If there was really a loss of sensation they would have been rioting in the streets! They don't because they are like me and think they are much better off. And they want their boys to be circed too which I will do if I have boys. Period.


In Africa more than 18 million men have been circumcised to reduce risk of AIDS infection. World Health Organization recommends this and they volunteer to have if done. If it spoiled their sex life the first few would have warned the others but they don't, they tell others how great it is which is why millions more ask for it.

https://www.avert.org/professionals/hiv-programming/prevention/voluntary-medical-male-circumcision
o***@gmail.com
2018-11-17 21:16:20 UTC
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Circumcised partner is best
Sven
2018-11-30 21:56:06 UTC
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Post by o***@gmail.com
Circumcised partner is best
I am gay and had foreskin problems (pain with erection, hard to retract) so sex/hygiene was difficult. I grew up in uncircumnised country but then my family moved to a circumcised and the problems got worse because everybody preferred circumcsed. Finally i was circumcised. I have a circumcisdd boyfriend now....
t***@royallepage.ca
2018-12-01 02:17:28 UTC
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I can tell you in Canada there is absolutely zero preference in the gay world for cut or uncut . I’m personally uncut and I have guys begging me to suck my cock. Im very hygienic and clean , and have always had a line up of hot guys. Uncut is hugely popular here and considered exotic. Even my US gay friends tell me that a nice uncut dick is very much desired in their communities. In Europe and South America uncut is highly popular and desired. I don’t know where you guys live but I’m sorry about your bad experiences with uncut . I personally find foreskin very hot , especially on a big thick member.
c***@gmail.com
2018-12-01 14:21:59 UTC
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On Saturday, December 1, 2018 at 5:17:29 AM UTC+3, ***@royallepage.ca wrote:

"I can tell you in Canada there is absolutely zero preference in the gay world for cut or uncut

TRANSLATION:

I know jack shit about the preferences of the million + gay men in Canada so I'll just make up a numberr....zero will do,,

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"I’m personally uncut and I have guys begging me to suck my cock. Im very hygienic and clean , and have always had a line up of hot guys."


TRANSLATION:

My uncut dick stinks of stale piss and gorgonzola just like other uncut guys, but occasionally I find a smegma pig who is willing to put it in his mouth.

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"Uncut is hugely popular here and considered exotic. Even my US gay friends tell me that a nice uncut dick is very much desired in their communities. In Europe and South America uncut is highly popular and desired."

TRANSLATION:

Im such a foreskin fetishist that I am very very comfortable pontificating about preferences in places and countries I've never been and know nothing about.

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