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New circumcision method to help combat HIV .... Press report
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Jordanian
2013-03-22 20:51:45 UTC
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In One Simple Tool, Hope for H.I.V. Prevention
By PATRICK ADAMS

Two plastic rings, a rubber band, and a thread.

PrePex, the new nonsurgical circumcision tool experts believe could revolutionize the prevention of H.I.V. and AIDS in sub-Saharan Africa, is easier to assemble than a toy you might find in a Happy Meal.

Recent studies in Rwanda indicate that the device, which induces necrosis of the foreskin by blocking its blood flow, can be used to cheaply, quickly and safely circumcise adult men in resource-limited settings — places where surgeons are scarce and where, five years after circumcision’s protective efficacy was first proved, millions of men are still in need of the procedure.

On a recent afternoon at Rwanda’s Kanombe Military Hospital, a complex of low brick buildings off a dirt road in a hilly suburb of the capital, Kigali, two nurses curtained off an examination table for a demonstration of the PrePex application process. “It’s very fast, very easy,” said one of the nurses. “I can make it in about two-and-a-half minutes.”

Across the way, half a dozen young men waited their turn in an airy, bare-walled space, while a doctor in crisp camouflage fatigues and black combat boots told them what to expect. “Most of them are not educated, so you have to explain to them the phenomenon of ischemia,” said Lt. Col. Jean Paul Bitega, the surgeon heading up Rwanda’s rollout of the device and principal investigator for the safety and efficacy study that helped Rwanda become the first and only country to secure W.H.O. approval to use it.

Since 2007, health authorities have known that circumcising adult men reduces their risk of acquiring H.I.V. through heterosexual intercourse by 60 percent or more. That landmark finding, firmly established by dozens of observational studies and three randomized controlled trials in South Africa, Uganda and Kenya, has made male circumcision the most promising method of prevention in the anti-AIDS arsenal. According to some estimates, increased circumcision coverage could prevent as many as 2 million new infections over 10 years, and save billions in treatment costs averted.
Stacks of packaged PrePex devices at Kanombe Military Hospital on the outskirts of Kigali, Rwanda, where the first clinical studies of the device were conducted in 2010.Mark Darrough Stacks of packaged PrePex devices at Kanombe Military Hospital on the outskirts of Kigali, Rwanda, where the first clinical studies of the device were conducted in 2010.

“It’s my No. 1 priority in Africa,” Dr. Stefano Bertozzi, the director of H.I.V. and tuberculosis for the Bill and Melinda Gates Foundation, told The Times in late 2011. “It’s clearly the most obvious, most cost-effective intervention we could use to dramatically change the course of H.I.V. in the near future.”

And yet, for all of its obviousness, male circumcision remains a staggeringly under-utilized tool. As of late 2011, a mere 1.3 million medical male circumcisions had been performed in sub-Saharan Africa. While that’s almost double the number for the previous year, it’s well short of the target set by the World Health Organization and the Joint United Nations Program on H.I.V./AIDS (UNAIDS): 20 million men, ages 15 to 49, by 2015.
KutKat@googlemail.com
2013-04-04 00:21:55 UTC
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This is sheer nonsense.
In Europe circumcision is very rarely carried out. Australia and New Zealand have abandoned it. Canada is following.
On the other hand the circumcision rate Now dropping. (used to be 87%) Then logically may I ask why the incidence of AIDS and HIV is so much HIGHER in the US?
Test carried out in Uganda were misleading. How do you PROVE the case that circumcision is an effective weapon when the tribes there have traditionally circumcised. Yet the incidence here has been alarming.

How on earth could the "medics" under these circumstances have possibly proved their case? How do you prove a negative, anyway?
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And yet, for all of its obviousness, male circumcision remains a staggeringly under-utilized tool. As of late 2011, a mere 1.3 million medical male circumcisions had been performed in sub-Saharan Africa. While that’s almost double the number for the previous year, it’s well short of the target set by the World Health Organization and the Joint United Nations Program on H.I.V./AIDS (UNAIDS): 20 million men, ages 15 to 49, by 2015.
Parker
2013-04-12 12:22:32 UTC
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This is sheer nonsense.
"Dozens of observational studies and three randomized controlled trials in South Africa, Uganda and Kenya, has made male circumcision the most promising method of prevention in the anti-AIDS arsenal. According to some estimates, increased circumcision coverage could prevent as many as 2 million new infections over 10 years, and save billions in treatment costs averted." Er... WHY is that nonsense?
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In Europe circumcision is very rarely carried out. Australia and New Zealand have abandoned it. Canada is following.
In Europe it's increasing cause we have tens of millions of muslims living here now. Increasing in Africa too cause of govt policies.
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On the other hand the circumcision rate Now dropping. (used to be 87%) Then logically may I ask why the incidence of AIDS and HIV is so much HIGHER in the US?
You can ask "logically" but It's not higher. Incidence of AIDS and HIV in US is below the world average. Now answer that "logically". ?????

Incidentally a lot of the HIV in the US is got by injecting drugs so the sex transmitted rate is even lower.
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Test carried out in Uganda were misleading.
Oh, which foreskin lover website did you read that?
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How do you PROVE the case that circumcision is an effective weapon when the tribes there have traditionally circumcised. Yet the incidence here has been alarming.
LOL If you don't even KNOW how you prove it, how can you say the tests were misleading? LOL
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How on earth could the "medics" under these circumstances have possibly proved their case?
They weren't trying to "prove" anything, they were trying to find something out. Dozens of observational studies showed uncirced men were more likely to get AIDS so they did three random controlled trials with cut and uncut men to see what happened. That way you know if all the other studies were just some kind of coincidence or something. The result in all three was HIV rates were 60 percent less in the circed men. So now we know.

Trouble is the foreskin lovers are long on emotion but short on facts so they don't accept science.
j***@outlook.com
2013-04-15 18:57:03 UTC
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Let's hope this device works as they say it will! It will be a great boon for millions of men who want to get circumcised but can't afford it or want to keep their circumcision private. It seems very simple and would cost only pennies and apparently does not require medical supervision. There are great numbers of men who would rather not have all the problems of a foreskin but don't want the hassle and expense and perhaps pain of surgery.
z***@gmail.com
2013-04-25 12:03:01 UTC
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Let's hope this device works as they say it will! It will be a great boon for millions of men who want to get circumcised but can't afford it or want to keep their circumcision private. It seems very simple and would cost only pennies and apparently does not require medical supervision. There are great numbers of men who would rather not have all the problems of a foreskin but don't want the hassle and expense and perhaps pain of surgery.
It strangles the foreskın untıl ıt dıes and drops off
t***@gmail.com
2013-05-19 15:29:01 UTC
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It strangles the foreskın untıl ıt dıes and drops off
If you can use this at home a lot of of uncut men would use it to circumcise themself.
none
2013-06-25 19:47:23 UTC
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It strangles the foresk?n unt?l ?t d?es and drops off
If you can use this at home a lot of of uncut men would use it to circumcise themself.
You come anywhere close to me or my son with that and you will loose
more than a piece of skin. Your opinion doesn't matter when it comes
to my health.
5***@gmail.com
2013-06-26 17:34:53 UTC
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Whats the circumcision rate in usa??? Is it really as low as 50% ???? Why most sites dissuade parents from circumcising their sons??? If its so beneficial then why is it becoming rare in usa?
Casaman
2013-06-27 18:24:49 UTC
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Whats the circumcision rate in usa??? Is it really as low as 50% ???? Why most sites dissuade parents from circumcising their sons??? If its so beneficial then why is it becoming rare in usa?
The rate is in the high 60s I believe. Never seen a 50 percent number anywhere. I have looked at those US websites now and it's obvious most are run by the same little group of "intactivists". Don't you notice how they repeat the identical misinformation over and over especially totally suppressing the information about foreskins and AIDS? Which is very irresponsible actually. Circumcision is not "rare" in the USA, most infants are circumcised. The rate is lower than it was because the immigrants from South America and Asia (which is where most come from these days) are ignorant. Circumcision is increasing in Europe and Africa.
5***@gmail.com
2013-06-28 08:41:49 UTC
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All the circumcision videos have 10 times more dislikes than likes and they mostly have negative comments. Even the comments on the sites are mostly negative. If circumcision is popular in usa then why do they condemn circumcision in their comments???? I thought americans no longer practise circumcision. When a pregnant mother asks if she should circumcise her son then most people dissuade her calling it barbaric. This is true with all the sites
c***@yahoo.com
2013-06-28 09:32:50 UTC
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All the circumcision videos have 10 times more dislikes than likes and they mostly have negative comments. Even the comments on the sites are mostly negative. If circumcision is popular in usa then why do they condemn circumcision in their comments???? I thought americans no longer practise circumcision. When a pregnant mother asks if she should circumcise her son then most people dissuade her calling it barbaric. This is true with all the sites
I'm not American so I may not be the best person to answer this for you, but the sites you're looking at are all sites that are run by "intactvists" who are very biased; also they attract similar minded people.
I attended my son's circumcision and he didn't seem to react at all. I spoke to nurses at the time who said some kids scream, some cry, some gurgle, some do nothing. Which is what infants do most of the day anyway. Now, when you see "circumcision videos" on those "intactivist" sites you don't see a whole range of reactions do you? You see videos that are carefully selected for the most negative impact so of course there are more dislikes than likes. Also all those sites suppress the information about foreskins and HIV. How many can you count that mention the World Health Org and the US Center for Disease Control and the Gates Foundation and Clinton Foundation and US Pedriatric Assoc and pratically all researchers and research favor circumcision against HIV. Those sites all suppress the facts which is really irresponsible, it is calculated circ will save millions of lives as you can see if you read more on this website which is UNBIASED because it includes every point of view. You are looking at sites by and for fanatics and you may find ten times as many are against circ but if you look at what really counts, most American parents choose circ and so does nearlhy 40 percent of the world.
5***@gmail.com
2013-06-28 10:22:04 UTC
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I'm immensely grateful to you for clearing my doubts. Could you introduce yourself??? I'm a 16 year old high school student from india and i'm intrigued by circumcision. I'm neither pro-circ nor anti-circ although these intactivists did influence me but I'm not a fanatic so I'm looking forward to real facts and information
5***@gmail.com
2013-06-28 10:29:39 UTC
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I'm immensely grateful to you for clearing my doubts. I'm a 16 year old high school student from india. Could you introduce yourself?? Because you're the only person who have me a positive opinion on circumcision. I'm neither pro-circ nor anti-circ although I was compelled to condemn circumcision after reading some articles and watching some videos. I'm looking forward to real facts. Thanks
5***@gmail.com
2013-06-28 10:30:15 UTC
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I'm immensely grateful to you for clearing my doubts. I'm a 16 year old high school student from india. Could you introduce yourself?? Because you're the only person who have me a positive opinion on circumcision. I'm neither pro-circ nor anti-circ although I was compelled to condemn circumcision after reading some articles and watching some videos. I'm looking forward to real facts. Thanks
5***@gmail.com
2013-06-28 10:42:10 UTC
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I'm immensely grateful to you for clearing my doubts. I'm a 16 year old high school student from india. Could you introduce yourself?? Because you're the only person who have me a positive opinion on circumcision. I'm neither pro-circ nor anti-circ although I was compelled to condemn circumcision after reading some articles and watching some videos. I'm looking forward to real facts. Thanks
5***@gmail.com
2013-06-28 10:42:03 UTC
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I'm immensely grateful to you for clearing my doubts. I'm a 16 year old high school student from india. Could you introduce yourself?? Because you're the only person who have me a positive opinion on circumcision. I'm neither pro-circ nor anti-circ although I was compelled to condemn circumcision after reading some articles and watching some videos. I'm looking forward to real facts. Thanks
5***@gmail.com
2013-06-28 10:42:07 UTC
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I'm immensely grateful to you for clearing my doubts. I'm a 16 year old high school student from india. Could you introduce yourself?? Because you're the only person who have me a positive opinion on circumcision. I'm neither pro-circ nor anti-circ although I was compelled to condemn circumcision after reading some articles and watching some videos. I'm looking forward to real facts. Thanks
FlyingDutchman
2013-07-01 15:14:58 UTC
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Those circumcision videos with screaming infants are mostly decades old. Almost every circumcision in the modern world is done with local anesthetic and the infant feels nothing. It is just on those anti circumcision websites to scare people. If they showed modern vids of the infants not even noticing the circumcision that would be realistic but it would not suit their propaganda. Those people are dishonest. As pointed out their websites overlook AIDS and other foreskin diseases. Also they never mention smell which is the main reason (hygiene from stink) that circumcision is popular. The just try to frighten people especially mothers. They don't like real debate because that brings the truth to light. I tried to write on their websites but they do not allow discussion or it is "moderated" the meaning of which is they censor you if you had a different idea.
saurabh suryavanshi
2013-07-02 09:04:00 UTC
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Those circumcision videos with screaming infants are mostly decades old. Almost every circumcision in the modern world is done with local anesthetic and the infant feels nothing. It is just on those anti circumcision websites to scare people. If they showed modern vids of the infants not even noticing the circumcision that would be realistic but it would not suit their propaganda. Those people are dishonest. As pointed out their websites overlook AIDS and other foreskin diseases. Also they never mention smell which is the main reason (hygiene from stink) that circumcision is popular. The just try to frighten people especially mothers. They don't like real debate because that brings the truth to light. I tried to write on their websites but they do not allow discussion or it is "moderated" the meaning of which is they censor you if you had a different idea.
Thanks a lot for your reply. I live in India where circumcision is rare(except among muslims). Can you tell me why circumcision rates are declining in the usa ? Infant circumcision rates are stated to be as low as 50% in usa. I am well aware that circumcision continues to remain popular in the midwest where the rates are claimed to be >75%. But I've read that in the western states like washington and california, only 20% newborns are circumcised.

I shall be obliged if you give me a valid reason as to why this is happening. I would also like to know your prediction about circumcision rates.
m***@gmail.com
2013-07-08 10:47:09 UTC
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Thanks a lot for your reply. I live in India where circumcision is rare(except among muslims). Can you tell me why circumcision rates are declining in the usa ? Infant circumcision rates are stated to be as low as 50% in usa. I am well aware that circumcision continues to remain popular in the midwest where the rates are claimed to be >75%. But I've read that in the western states like washington and california, only 20% newborns are circumcised.
I shall be obliged if you give me a valid reason as to why this is happening. I would also like to know your prediction about circumcision rates.
Dear Saurabh, where are you getting your numbers? You should trust only proper citations to official sources. Be careful of the biased sites on the internet that just make up numbers. You can tell which ones they are because they ignore all the recent medical research on circumcision + disease. They just rely on emotion and opinion without anything to back it up. I looked at several websites last week and two that do report only scientific research findings are www.circs.org and www.circinfo.net. You will find many scientific citations there.

I am Irish but I did spend 17 years in the USA in the medical field (Newark New Jersey and Santa Cruz California). Yes the circumcision rate is much lower on the west coast than the midwest. The reason is immigration from Central/South America to California and from Asia to California and Washington State. These immigrants come from countries that mostly do not circumcise boys so they keep that habit when they come to the USA. Almost all white American boys are circumcised. The midwest states have mostly big white majorities so circumcision is very common there. About half the births in the USA now are from immigrant groups. Here is an article about this: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2145687/Non-white-births-outnumber-white-Ethnic-minorities-surpasses-whites-US-time.html

I cannot answer your request for a prediction about future rates. Maybe both groups will keep their habits or maybe one group will take up the other group's habits.... but it's not for me say. I hope this helps. - Maureen.
j***@gmail.com
2013-07-08 18:05:12 UTC
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You can tell which ones they are because they ignore all the recent medical >research on circumcision + disease. They just rely on emotion and opinion >without anything to back it up.
You mean like, 'Ewww foreskins are so ugly and gross!'
Uckister777@...
2013-10-28 12:42:50 UTC
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You mean like, 'Ewww foreskins are so ugly and gross!'
They ARE ugly and gross!!!!
j***@gmail.com
2013-11-01 15:07:16 UTC
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You mean like, 'Ewww foreskins are so ugly and gross!'
They ARE ugly and gross!!!!
To some people. Some people think all penises are ugly and gross. Some people think vaginas are ugly and gross.
Casaman
2013-11-02 21:10:42 UTC
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They ARE ugly and gross!!!!
To some people. Some people think all penises are ugly and gross. Some people think vaginas are >ugly and gross.
Uncircumcised penises cause the most distaste esthetically. I've read and I believe it's true, because I can't think of a contrary case, that circumcision has always been the commonest form of surgery in the world. Almost 40 percent of the men on earth have been circumcised. I'd say that's a lot of dislike of uncircumcised penises!

Face it Jack, people in all those countries right through history wouldn't go to so much trouble to cut foreskins off, unless they really disliked them. They knew from experience men would be better without them. (Especially in hot climates.)
j***@gmail.com
2013-11-06 19:05:13 UTC
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They ARE ugly and gross!!!!
To some people. Some people think all penises are ugly and gross. Some people think vaginas are >ugly and gross.
Uncircumcised penises cause the most distaste esthetically. I've read and I believe it's true, because I can't think of a contrary case, that circumcision has always been the commonest form of surgery in the world. Almost 40 percent of the men on earth have been circumcised. I'd say that's a lot of dislike of uncircumcised penises!
Face it Jack, people in all those countries right through history wouldn't go to so much trouble to cut foreskins off, unless they really disliked them. They knew from experience men would be better without them. (Especially in hot climates.)
Men rarely have a choice in the matter, it's forced on them as children.
c***@yahoo.com
2013-11-09 07:33:08 UTC
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Post by Casaman
Uncircumcised penises cause the most distaste esthetically. I've read and I believe it's true, because I can't think of a contrary case, that circumcision has always been the commonest form of surgery in the world. Almost 40 percent of the men on earth have been circumcised. I'd say that's a lot of dislike of uncircumcised penises!
Face it Jack, people in all those countries right through history wouldn't go to so much trouble to cut foreskins off, unless they really disliked them. They knew from experience men would be better without them. (Especially in hot climates.)
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Men rarely have a choice in the matter, it's forced on them as children.
Jack, I think you're avoiding the main question here, which is WHY has circumcision always been the most popular surgery in the world? Lots of things are forced on children (toilet training, brushing their teeth, avoiding oncoming traffic and so on). Adults"force" stuff like that on children for their own good. Circumcision in days before anaesthetics and antibiotics must have been very painful and dangerous. They must have felt very strongly about it, to want to do it. Wouldn't you agree?

If you look at history from the Aztecs to the Egyptians, and at modern countries too, you find many peoples circumcise boys. Almost 40 percent in the world today. Muslims by the way don't circumcise for religious reasons. (There is no mention of circumcision in the koran). Any muslim will tell you it's for cleanliness. (If you spent a lifetime as I have in North Africa and the Middle East you would understand that better… I don't suppose you ever got sand in your foreskin for a few days in a desert with not much water around?) Anyway there are lots of countries today that circumcise most boys and are not muslim like Korea, Philippines, Fiji, Ghana, Ethiopia and so on.

in any country with circumcision there are plenty of men around who were circumcised as teens or adults. They know the difference before and after. If they were much worse off after you can be damn sure you would hear plenty about it, because nothing matters more to men than their penis! Yet very few ever object. I see there's more than a million African men have been circumcised recently against AIDS. If you research them on the net you will find the response from the men (and their wives) is overwhelmingly positive. They are really pleased to be circumcised.

So again Jack, if circumcision is so awful WHY is it so popular? I think you have to face it, even if you don't agree with it, which you are entitled to of course, that people just don't like uncircumcised penises. If circumcision wasn't so much trouble they would probably get rid of even more of them!
j***@gmail.com
2013-11-10 19:35:05 UTC
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Uncircumcised penises cause the most distaste esthetically. I've read and I believe it's true, because I can't think of a contrary case, that circumcision has always been the commonest form of surgery in the world. Almost 40 percent of the men on earth have been circumcised. I'd say that's a lot of dislike of uncircumcised penises!
Face it Jack, people in all those countries right through history wouldn't go to so much trouble to cut foreskins off, unless they really disliked them. They knew from experience men would be better without them. (Especially in hot climates.)
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Men rarely have a choice in the matter, it's forced on them as children.
Jack, I think you're avoiding the main question here, which is WHY has circumcision always been the most popular surgery in the world? Lots of things are forced on children (toilet training, brushing their teeth, avoiding oncoming traffic and so on). Adults"force" stuff like that on children for their own good. Circumcision in days before anaesthetics and antibiotics must have been very painful and dangerous. They must have felt very strongly about it, to want to do it. Wouldn't you agree?
If you look at history from the Aztecs to the Egyptians, and at modern countries too, you find many peoples circumcise boys. Almost 40 percent in the world today. Muslims by the way don't circumcise for religious reasons. (There is no mention of circumcision in the koran). Any muslim will tell you it's for cleanliness. (If you spent a lifetime as I have in North Africa and the Middle East you would understand that better… I don't suppose you ever got sand in your foreskin for a few days in a desert with not much water around?) Anyway there are lots of countries today that circumcise most boys and are not muslim like Korea, Philippines, Fiji, Ghana, Ethiopia and so on.
in any country with circumcision there are plenty of men around who were circumcised as teens or adults. They know the difference before and after. If they were much worse off after you can be damn sure you would hear plenty about it, because nothing matters more to men than their penis! Yet very few ever object. I see there's more than a million African men have been circumcised recently against AIDS. If you research them on the net you will find the response from the men (and their wives) is overwhelmingly positive. They are really pleased to be circumcised.
So again Jack, if circumcision is so awful WHY is it so popular?
It's certainly not popular to choose it for one's self. It's chosen for someone else by a men who themselves don't know anything about foreskin.
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I think you have to face it, even if you don't agree with it, which you are entitled to of course, that people just don't like uncircumcised penises. If circumcision wasn't so much trouble they would probably get rid of even more of them!
All genitalia have been considered ugly and "dirty" by the ignorant. Think of the "dirty cunt" perceptions that proliferate. Sometimes this parental and societal fear of sexuality manifests in genital cutting of children.

But grown men and women rarely choose this for themselves when given a choice, and when they do they almost invariably come from a genital cutting culture.
OliverMahon
2013-11-12 20:07:51 UTC
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Blah blah blah. That's twice you ignored the question Casaman asked you,
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Jack, I think you're avoiding the main question here, which is WHY has circumcision always been the most popular surgery in the world?
Care to try answering it?
Sharon
2016-05-02 23:36:23 UTC
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Post by Jordanian
In One Simple Tool, Hope for H.I.V. Prevention
By PATRICK ADAMS
Two plastic rings, a rubber band, and a thread.
PrePex, the new nonsurgical circumcision tool experts believe could revolutionize the prevention of H.I.V. and AIDS in sub-Saharan Africa, is easier to assemble than a toy you might find in a Happy Meal.
Recent studies in Rwanda indicate that the device, which induces necrosis of the foreskin by blocking its blood flow, can be used to cheaply, quickly and safely circumcise adult men in resource-limited settings -- places where surgeons are scarce and where, five years after circumcision's protective efficacy was first proved, millions of men are still in need of the procedure.
Sounds good. If I got one and left it lying around for my husband do you think he would take the hint?
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